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Michael Covel (FT Press)

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Michael Covel (Wiley)

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Soros & Zero-Sum Game

TurtleTrader comment: George Soros, the legendary and enormously successful trader, recently appeared on ABC News Nightline program. The following excerpt of an exchange between George Soros and host Ted Koppel proves illuminating:

...as you describe it, it [the market] is, of course, a game in which there are real consequences. When you bet and you win, that's good for you, it's bad for those against whom you have bet. There are always losers in this kind of a game.Ted Koppel

No. See, it's not a zero-sum game. It's very important to realize...George Soros

Well, it's not zero - sum in terms of investors. But, for example, when you bet against the British pound, that was not good for the British economy.Ted Koppel

Well, it happened to be quite good for the British economy. It was not, let's say, good for the British treasury because they were on the other side of the trade...It's not - your gain is not necessarily somebody else's loss.George Soros

Because - I mean put it in easily understandable terms. I mean if you could have profited by destroying Malaysia's currency, would you have shrunk from that?Ted Koppel

Not necessarily because that would have been an unintended consequence of my action. And it's not my job as a participant to calculate the consequences. This is what a market is. That's the nature of a market. So I'm a participant in the market.George Soros

TurtleTrader comment: Why would Soros say trading and speculating are not zero-sum games? Soros is to be saluted for his tremendous success, but he is indeed a speculator participating in a zero-sum game. Perhaps he is reluctant to be as brutally honest with Koppel's audience as he is with himself. Trading is a zero-sum game when measured relative to underlying fundamental values. No trader can profit without another trader losing.

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